samedi, mars 24, 2007

Would You, and Do You?

I'll open up comments to the "anonymous" setting for this post.

I have a question, and it's one that is becoming more and more relevant. And if you agree with me that it's relevant now, just you wait 'till summer.

Wisconsin, one of the only states in the union that doesn't allow concealed carry, isn't going to change its laws anytime soon. In fact with the rise of crime in SE WI, it's nearly a sure thing that it won't be allowed. Crazy logic - yes - but this is an an urban area that seems to defy normal and acceptable rules. I'm surprised the law of gravity still applies.

Here is the setup to my question.

You can die pretty quickly in this city, whether you are putting yourself in the position or not. I don't need to list the instances of where and when and how often it happens that people are shot, beaten, or hit by drivers who don't have licenses. This city IS a death trap.

Being that the state of Wisconsin does not allow law abiding citizens to carry a concealed weapon, I believe the state is putting those law abiding citizens in peril. Each human being put upon this earth is, in effect, responsible for making decisions that protect their lives. If you are shot or beaten, nobody can predict the chances of your survival. With the right to bear arms protected by the constitution nobody should have to be faced with having to "get over" or "heal" from a gunshot wound or attack.

Given that this is the situation in Milwaukee, and if you are not in a position to take yourself out of the situation ("yet", for financial reasons, either temporarily or otherwise); and being that the law does not allow protection through concealed carry, and cannot protect you directly due to the randomness and volume of crime in the city:

Should you, and do you, take it upon yourself to bear arms despite the law.


Blogger Pete Fanning said...

Why Phel? We all know the use of a gun, while it might save our life, will just land our collective arse in jail for carrying the concealed weapon in the first place.

I don't know. I'm conflicted. Part of me WANTS to, but the other part of me knows what will happen to me if I do and I wind up using it in defending myself....which I WOULD have NO problem doing if caught in that's a catch 22....

I don't currently own a weapon but had planned on purchasing one had concealed carry passed....I've already been through weapons training in the Navy, but definitely would go again because that was SOOOO long ago....

10:32 AM, mars 24, 2007  
Blogger Scott D. Feldstein said...

Yes, I might break the law and carry if I felt I was in a dangerous area regularly. However, I would suck it up and take the legal consequences of it if caught, too. The law is the law, and if you break it that's on you.

As it is, I do not feel in the kind of danger that would necessitate me having a firearm on my person. I think most people vastly overestimate the degree of danger walking down the street represents, and - more the point - the degree to which a gun is going to protect you from it. But I'm admittedly not an expert in such things.

10:55 AM, mars 24, 2007  
Blogger Dad29 said...

I know someone who keeps a firearm in their car, under the passenger seat. It's in a zipped case.

Having a weapon in the home is very legal in Wisconsin--and that's where most people keep them, because that's where most potential for trouble arises.

11:03 AM, mars 24, 2007  
Blogger Scott D. Feldstein said...

I don't have a gun at home. Its because I believe the danger it poses is greater than the danger it protects me from. That is, I estimate it's a lot more likely to a) be stolen and used for nefarious purposes, b) injure someone accidentally in my home, c) be used against someone here in the heat of passion d) be used on oneself, than it is to be used to defend against some life-threatening intruder.

And one thing that always bugged me about that use. Suppose someone does break into your house at night and clearly means to do you harm. What are you going to do, wake up out of a dead sleep, unlock your gun safe, find your ammo, load up and then thwart this attack? And you don't store your gun that way, doesn't that make the other non-desirable uses above ten times more likely to occur?? I just don't get it.

Me, I'd rather trust my luck, my deadbolts and the katana on my dresser.

12:36 PM, mars 24, 2007  
Blogger Josh Schröder said...

You could move out of the state ;-)

1:02 PM, mars 24, 2007  
Anonymous Anonyme said...

It would depend for me if the seriousness of the situation warranted it. For me, like scott, I don't think it does yet, but I am safely ensconced in Waukesha and make few trips to "the city," so I may be living in dream land.

Of course, before I could carry, I would have to purchase and then learn how to use one, since I don't and never have owned a gun, and could probably count on one hand the number of times I've fired one.

1:12 PM, mars 24, 2007  
Blogger Nick said...

At some point you have to ask yourself... would you rather be dead or alive in jail? I pray that's never a choice you're faced with.

2:24 PM, mars 24, 2007  
Blogger Pete Fanning said...

Nick's bucking for this week's MRQ :)

3:04 PM, mars 24, 2007  
Blogger Peter said...

I already do. I have one in the glove compartment of my car and I have started carrying one on me at work in the evenings.

I pray I never have to use them.

3:18 PM, mars 24, 2007  
Blogger Dad29 said...

Scott, NOBODY with a defensive weapon at the house has it locked in a safe and unloaded.

NOR do they have the weapon in plain sight, labeled, so a goblin can find it...

And, finally, most people with d-weapons around also know about flashlight technology. (You, too, may have heard of this.)

What you may NOT know is that the newer-tech flashlights have a whole lot of horsepower in those cute little non-bulb-bulbs. So much that one can temporarily blind a goblin with the light--using only a couple of AA cells. (They cost around $100.00 for a reason...)

Then actually using the gun is hardly necessary.

97% of goblins run like hell when they see a weapon--which is exactly what the well-trained gun-owner wants.

I've regularly been in a 'borderline' area on the near South Side at night. Never was in a situation which was threatening.

But then, that's not the near-north side, either.

4:19 PM, mars 24, 2007  
Blogger Patrick said...

I use to drive a cab, and like most of us, I did carry a gun when working at night. In my 7 ears driving a cab, I went to the funerals of 6 co-workers, all shot in robberies. I wanted to at least have the chance to fight back.

I no longer carry a gun, but I work every day in Milwaukee's most dangerous areas, and there are times, even in the day time, that I wish I had something to fight back with if needed. Ever been in an all between 1st & Achillies north of Auer, after dark with a large group of people walking down the ally? I have, it is an uncomfortable feeling.

Wisconsin and Illinois are the only two states in the nation that doesn't trust their citizens to protect themselves.

8:13 PM, mars 24, 2007  
Blogger Patrick said...

Maybe I should have worded it:
Wisconsin and Illinois are the only two states in the nation that abandons it's citizens to the thugs and murders that prey on our law abiding citizens.

If Linda Clifford is somehow elected, Wisconsin will have a Supreme Court that will strike down any concealed carry law for the next decade or more.

8:18 PM, mars 24, 2007  
Blogger Dad29 said...

...and if they do strike down those laws, it will have zero effect.

Those who want to carry will continue to do so.

Those who have to use the damn thing for self-defense will have to hope that the cops (and DA) see it the same way they did when the action occurred.

Personally, I don't need, nor ask for, the blessing of DarthDoyle or Screechin'Shirley for self-defense. Darth has his own armed guards, paid for by the State. Shirley doesn't work on 28th and Locust.

Screw THEM!

9:20 PM, mars 24, 2007  
Blogger Patrick said...

Just don't shoot the thugs if they 'only" have a knife... Alderman McJr. says so.

10:53 PM, mars 24, 2007  
Blogger carbon-based said...

P.S.: I do.

11:43 PM, mars 27, 2007  
Blogger carbon-based said...

DOH! First comment did not make it in...

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

It is so simple....the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Imagine if someone had just a simple 2-shot, .22 caliber deringer on one of those airplanes on 11 september?

And before someone says "a bad shot could have taken out the airplane"....stop and think for a second...the airplaneS were already taken out...but maybe west tower and all the lives there might not have been!

11:51 PM, mars 27, 2007  
Anonymous Anonyme said...

Um, people, having guns is not illegal in Wisconsin. Outside your home or place of business having concealed weapons IS illegal. But it is legal to openly carry a gun. Carry openly and proudly!

4:28 PM, avril 05, 2007  

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